Hi there! Please introduce yourself to the group!
My name is Mordy Golding. My background is in art production, but in print and in web. Currently, I do freelance design and I am an industry author, trainer, and consultant. I have written several books on Adobe Creative Suite and on Adobe Illustrator, and I am also the author of several video training titles over at Lynda.com. A few years ago, I was the product manager for Illustrator at Adobe.
In my own freelance design work, I've been pushing off learning CSS. I've picked up several books on the subject over the last 2-3 years, but rarely do I make it past the first 2 or 3 chapters. I'm extremely familiar with the BENEFITS of using CSS, and I totally understand what is so wonderful about it, but until recently, I never really used it to actually build anything. Last week, I did build my first site using CSS for styling and layout, and it was an experience. But I'm still learning, and hungry for more.
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Hello Mordy and everyone, I go by David, and I just happened to stumble on this group through the Real World Illustrator page that you mentioned in the Illustrator Essential training movies at Lynda.com. I figured, hell if his Illustrator training was so good, why NOT join? So here I am. I am 18 and an Intern at a local Graphics Design company in Colorado. When I started working with them, my boss said 2 words to me. "Learn Illustrator". A tech at my school recommended Lynda.com, so I bought my own account, watched the Illustrator essential training that Mordy did, and I learned the program in 2 weeks. Funny thing is that now they want me to learn CSS too! XD
I have knowledge of CSS, but I am not an expert, so I'm here to learn and most importantly, to help others like myself learn too, because no one is born knowing everything. Thanks everyone for reading my long post, and thanks to Mordy for his amazing training, hopefully this group will be as awesome as his lynda.com training!
P.S - Hey Mordy, once you have a big understanding of CSS, you should make another training title, I'd bet i'd be AWESOME!
Hi there... I'm Thomas, I work primarily as a freelance video editor and motion graphic designer and occasionally on the production side in the film industry. I also dabble a bit in web design/development and the realm of Flash/Flex/whatever they're calling it these days... I've designed a few sites with CSS but I'd like a much better grasp of the specs, finer points, best practices, workarounds, etc. Thanks for starting this group.
Welcome aboard David and Thomas!
Thanks for the kind words, David. I certainly hope that this can be a learning experience for all :)
:) Mordy
Wow Mordy, I didn't think there was anyone like me...really WANT to learn CSS but can't get past the first few chapters in the book! In graphic design they call me Misha. I am a returning student at Art Institute, pursuing my bachelor degree in graphic design. I also work in direct sales for Heritage Makers, a digital storybooking company.
I have always wanted to learn CSS, I hope this will be my catalist! I've always loved the way you teach in RWI, so, I decided to give this a go! Thanks!
Misha
Welcome Misha!
:) Mordy
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I am a keen web developer hoping to improve my design skills without making every layout I have different by graphics alone, will be watching this group with much interest.
David
Hi there... My name is Ozkan Ozcan. Im form Turkey and I'm art director at an advertising agency. I 'm using CSS in my works and I want to want to learn more about CSS. And Im here:)
Thanks for starting this group.
Gary Spedding here. I am not a designer but have learned to use and love PS, Ai and InD over the past few years. Currently on CS4. I actually have my own business where I test beer (sometimes tasting it - but mostly physical and chemical testing) and use the Creative Suite to promote my business but mostly have fun with the apps. I have received a lot of advice over the years from gracious individuals and I am not sure that I have the skills to return the favor in any major way but look forward to being part of this group and helping out in any way I can.
Hi everyone. I've known Mordy - mostly virtually - since Illustrator 3. Or was it 88? A long time. I'm an illustrator/designer for both print and web. I know a smattering of CSS, and naturally want to learn more, but here's my problem. I started creating sites using PageMill, then GoLive, then I took an HTML class and used that - and GoLive. I generally design my sites in Illustrator, then put them together with - GoLive. Everyone says, "Give it up. Use Dreamweaver." Or, "Give it up. Use CSS." If I design the look of a site in Illustrator, make it functional with GoLive's rudimentary CSS, put it on my server and it looks and works as I intended, what does CSS offer that trumps what I'm currently doing?
Two Garys! Hi Gary [Spedding] - great to see you here :)
Hi Gary [newmango]. I think someone who knows CSS better than I do has to respond as to why it's important to go beyond that what GoLive has to offer, but I can paint a different perspective. GoLive may work on your computer now, but moving forward, you may find it difficult to use it, especially in future operating systems or newer hardware. More importantly, if you really do learn CSS, it doesn't matter WHAT application you use (be it GoLive or otherwise), as you cam simply write the code yourself.
Welcome Ozkan and David! Great to have you on board.
Hello! Mordy, I'm so glad you're starting this group. I took 3 web design classes when it was on the cusp of web designers switching from tables to CSS and my teacher was still learning CSS along with us. He was a great teacher, but it seemed there were no "best practices" in place yet, so there was a lot of trial and error and I never really moved beyond those classes. There is so much more documentation out there now, so even though I'm a little late coming fully on board, it's still worth it. My husband is a web designer extraordinaire (so I use him to code sites that I've designed) so I just never picked it up all the way myself.
My biggest reason for doing this is that so many jobs out there really want a designer (even a mostly print designer) to know CSS and it will expand my skill set. I think it'll be fun learning it with a bunch of people who are the same level as me, so yay! Thanks for starting this up!
P.S. Oh yeah, and you can call me Lauren.
One more thing: is there going to be a specific format for this group? Like updates once/week or recommended exercises or reading? Or maybe all that will develop as we go along?
Hi Mordy, I actually learned CSS a couple of years ago, but decided to join in to see if I can learn more, and perhaps contribute a bit.
For what it's worth, here's my experience learning CSS (hopefully this will be helpful for someone): I switched from GoLive to Dreamweaver two years ago. Needing to learn the program quickly, I bought "Dreamweaver CS3, The Missing Manual." At that time I knew very little about CSS. I thought it was like paragraph styles in InDesign, and didn't realize how powerfull it really is.
The book was great for learning Dreamweaver. Even better, it teaches the use of CSS within the context of Dreamweaver. I didn't have to learn much about coding to use CSS, since Dreamweaver does the coding for you. This meant that I learned the concepts of using CSS first. After that book, I picked up other books specifically on CSS to learn it in greater detail. There are also a lot of good web sites and blogs that focus on CSS.
For those just beginning to learn CSS, don't get too bogged down in the actual coding at first (if you are using Dreamweaver, it will code it for you). Focus on understanding how CSS is used and what to use it for. Later, you can work on learning the coding itself.
Don't get me wrong, it is important to learn how to write the actual code. Amoung other things, this will allow you to view the code of other websites to see how they did things.
Welcome Lauren!
There will be a specific format, but as you suggested, I think we'll figure it out as we get things started. I also want to allow for a short amount of time so more people can join the group. I figure that by end of next week, we can begin to learn in earnest. Until then, I have a few ideas on how we can start our collective brains thinking about CSS.
If you know of resources like books or websites that you can recommend, please add them to the site (there's a link called Reference Library in the Resources area).
Gagood, welcome to you as well! You make an excellent point that knowing the code and syntax will help you learn how other sites were created, etc. Firebug will be a great help there as well.
Hello Mordy, thanks for starting this group. My name is Jimmy, and I am an absolute beginner in web design / CSS / Dreamweaver. Writing code is not a problem, but I am used to languages like Fortran. I have wanted to learn CSS for a long time, and thanks again for the opportunity to go in that direction.
Welcome, Jimmy!
You're much like me -- back in College I took Basic, Pascal, C++, and even Assembler. For me, the biggest fear of code was the math involved and not the syntax. Which is why CSS (and HTML) is easy for me to digest (and also a reason why I still fear ActionScript).
Hello everyone. I am Jen from Detroit. I am an in-house graphic designer and brand manager, working for 16 years now. I'm very comfortable in print media but still working to learn web and interactive media. I've built several websites, but I feel like they are clumsy and inefficient. I was glad to see the post asking for the "aha" moment - because I'm still waiting for mine. I usually "get" software very well, but for some reason am still struggling with Dreamweaver, CSS, and Flash. I can't seem to cross over into a comfort zone. I'm glad to hear there are other designers who are the same way. I feel better already! I want to know how to pull together all my adobe knowledge to use the products more effectively.
I'm Kelly. I work as a technical writer using Framemaker, but most of my professional experience has been in print production and long document design using ID. I, too, have read a couple of books about CSS, and I understand the concepts, but have a bit of a hard time implementing it. I'd like to learn the different hacks required to make CSS layout work in a variety of browsers.
Greetings!
My name is Danny and I work in web design and development with a primary focus on web accessibiity. In recent years, I have worked as an accessibility engineer for an award winning accessibility firm doing training, testing products, software, and websites against the various accessibility standards such as Section 508 and WCAG.
Now, as a freelance consultant, I am trying to soak in as much information as possible, afterll, learning has always been my favorite hobby. I will be happy to share my ideas and solutions whenever I can and I am sure I will have some questions of my own along the way.
Hi all,
My name is Mike, and Mordy's Inside Illustrator is among the many design websites and blogs I read frequently, and when I read about the formation of this group, I knew I had to join.
I've been doing some form of computer design since I was a kid using ClarisWorks, and graduated to Photoshop & Illustrator in early 1999. I did mostly web-based work on my own, which eventually led me to a (non-paid, volunteer) position on a gaming website a few months into my own site. While I still help out there, I've since moved on to a job at an interior retail decor company (we specialize in grocery stores mainly).
While I was introduced to Adobe products in 1999 taking a 6-month graphic design course, the class was more about learning at your own pace. Since I learn best by a hands-on approach and experimentation, this worked out well for me. It's also a big reason I'm excited to be a part of this group as opposed to something more... formal?
While I've been doing websites since I began all this, most of my coding knowledge is in HTML. I've picked up a decent amount of CSS techniques over the years, but have yet to learn enough to build something completely CSS-based and without falling back on tables and such.
Also, sometimes I tend to ramble (sorry), so I'll close by saying I look forward to learning and sharing with everyone here.
Welcome Jen, Kelly, Danny, and Mike! Great to have you on board. I can hardly believe we have over 60 members in this group already. This is great!
hello everyone this is my first day her, i haven't started any design in css yet but i' here to view and learn some thing new.... my area is flash, and photoshop a little action script which also is kicking my ass, anyway hope you all have room for i'll love to sit and watch maybe ask a few questions....
Hello everyone. This is my first day also. I find it to be ironic because I just bought your Real World Illustrator book and then I stumble upon your group. I am very excited to be here and I am looking to learn a lot.
Hi all , My Name is Ghada . this is my first day on that Group & I’m really interesting to be part of that group , I work as Senior user interface developer in Egypt
I use css from day one on all the projects (web sites) had work on for almost 3 years & every day i really learn new thing about it
& practicing & view other web sites css source file give me experience on daily basses
I’m very fan of Css & when use it u can feel how powerful u r specially when u make all the designer's dreams came true by make his design typically like the developed site :)
I know more when I work on SharePoint 2007 & start explore the core.css file that SharePoint already created with any new site
but still I need to know more & more about the wonderful css tricks & techniques
Hi, Mordy,
I'm thrilled to see this group for learning CSS. I've been using CSS for years now with my web design business. I can always learn more and gain new insight but primarily I thought I'd stop by here and there to see how things are going. I'm also happy to contribute information and perhaps answer some questions people may have now and then. I'm not sure how much time I'll have for this, but I'll stop in when I can.
Another resource you might benefit from is via one of my websites packed with literally thousands of helpful annotated resources - the best of the best, hand-picked and personally researched by me. The CSS section is quite popular, and you and others may enjoy perusing it for lots of great resources there. The CSS section begins at http://websitetips.com/css/
I wish everyone the best with learning CSS. Start with the easy stuff and then build from there. :-) I first started with using CSS to color links and headings, applying fonts, and those basics... long before I got into positioning and floating.
I'm also a HUGE believer in CSS - I've developed many sites with it, and it's a fabulous way to maintain a site's visual design and presentation. I started designing sites way back in 1996 and was stuck with using tables, HTML font tags, etc. It was a royal pain to redesign a site, do maintenance, etc. CSS totally changed all that, thankfully!
Greetings everyone!
My name is Sally and I am a Production Artist working in the packaging industry. We specialize in plastics and exotic printed effects for the cosmetic, media and soon, pharmaceutical industries. I've been using Illustrator since the black and white days.
I have always dabbled in HTML but I have never done anything on a professional basis. I have a few *Friends with Websites* that I have plugged in code for. Having seen what's possible, I'd love to hone my skills. I think its a great way to keep myself involved in the creative side of Illustrator and retain what I may learn here.
Greetings All,
My name is Ida, I'm a trained graphics designer gone Adobe Instructor. I've been in and out the CSS and webdesign scene since the late 90's never really giving it my full attention. Even though I do have several commercial sites in the portfolio, I still feel there's a lot to learn.
I first saw the potential in CSS when I was in my first year of school and learning about tradional print typography. Css spiked my interest as here is the real possibility to adapt tradional media with the internet without having to settle for creating pdf's or relying on external viewers.
I will try to follow this group as best my schedule allows it, as well as contribute when I find something useful to pitch in with.